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	<title>Comments on: Not many wise</title>
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		<title>by: Recollector</title>
		<link>http://recollections.blogsome.com/2006/05/22/not-many-wise/#comment-4</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 20:53:47 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for the comment, Jay. I think you're absolutely right that there is a difference between self-aggrandizing wisdom and self-effacing wisdom--wisdom that serves others instead of boosting oneself.  It's also important that in the passages I've quoted, Paul refers to the &quot;wisdom according to the flesh&quot; and the &quot;wisdom of this world,&quot; to underline that his critique is not of wisdom in general, but of certain perversions of it, as you say.

I certainly don't think that learning or wisdom is always perverse.  Motive matters. But sometimes I allow the pursuit of learning and its accolades to define who I am, instead of letting who I am define how I learn and teach.

It's also important that Jesus says it is &lt;i&gt;difficult&lt;/i&gt; for the rich to enter the kingdom, but not impossible with God. Likewise, Paul says &quot;not many wise&quot; according to the world's standards are called, but he doesn't say not &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt;.  As Pascal puts it in the epigram, it is the &quot;wise people full of pride&quot; who have a hard time knowing God.

I've been reading Saint Augustine's &lt;i&gt;Confessions&lt;/i&gt; lately, and this post springs in part from my reactions to Augustine's own struggles to cast away the baubles of worldly prestige and academic standing (&quot;what passes for wealth in this world&quot; is the way he puts it in &lt;a href=&quot;http://recollections.blogsome.com/2006/05/14/grown-up-games/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this quote&lt;/a&gt;). So much of what he says, particularly at the beginning of Part II, resonates with some of my own feelings and experiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for the comment, Jay. I think you&#8217;re absolutely right that there is a difference between self-aggrandizing wisdom and self-effacing wisdom&#8211;wisdom that serves others instead of boosting oneself.  It&#8217;s also important that in the passages I&#8217;ve quoted, Paul refers to the &#8220;wisdom according to the flesh&#8221; and the &#8220;wisdom of this world,&#8221; to underline that his critique is not of wisdom in general, but of certain perversions of it, as you say.</p>
	<p>I certainly don&#8217;t think that learning or wisdom is always perverse.  Motive matters. But sometimes I allow the pursuit of learning and its accolades to define who I am, instead of letting who I am define how I learn and teach.</p>
	<p>It&#8217;s also important that Jesus says it is <i>difficult</i> for the rich to enter the kingdom, but not impossible with God. Likewise, Paul says &#8220;not many wise&#8221; according to the world&#8217;s standards are called, but he doesn&#8217;t say not <i>any</i>.  As Pascal puts it in the epigram, it is the &#8220;wise people full of pride&#8221; who have a hard time knowing God.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;ve been reading Saint Augustine&#8217;s <i>Confessions</i> lately, and this post springs in part from my reactions to Augustine&#8217;s own struggles to cast away the baubles of worldly prestige and academic standing (&#8221;what passes for wealth in this world&#8221; is the way he puts it in <a href="http://recollections.blogsome.com/2006/05/14/grown-up-games/" rel="nofollow">this quote</a>). So much of what he says, particularly at the beginning of Part II, resonates with some of my own feelings and experiences.
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		<title>by: JayFout</title>
		<link>http://recollections.blogsome.com/2006/05/22/not-many-wise/#comment-3</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 19:42:23 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>This might actually reflect how little acquainted I am with wisdom first hand, but I wonder if the inner logic of wisdom, for Christians, is that it is possessed and used for love of neighbour, and that self-aggrandisement by means of it is so contrary to the nature of wisdom that it utterly negates its putative presence. (I certainly don't think that wisdom is &lt;i&gt;essentially&lt;/i&gt; inimical to God or faith. Of course it does admit of perversions, as you mentioned.) So, for teachers -- who impart knowledge and form people in wisdom -- perhaps the question is why do this? Is it out of an intense God-fueled love for the people you teach and a passion for your topic, whether biology, home ec., theology, or English lit.? Or is it a matter of self-aggrandisement and ego-boosting? 

Of course, it is most likely the case for most of us that the answer is &quot;some of both&quot;, but that gives us guidance for our prayers and repentance.

Might wealth be like this? Or is it a special case? My intuition in past has been that it is the former, but more and more I think it is the latter. At any rate, it at least dominates our imaginations and our lives today, so it is difficult to think of examples of saintly use of money.

Thanks again for this reflections and 'recollections'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This might actually reflect how little acquainted I am with wisdom first hand, but I wonder if the inner logic of wisdom, for Christians, is that it is possessed and used for love of neighbour, and that self-aggrandisement by means of it is so contrary to the nature of wisdom that it utterly negates its putative presence. (I certainly don&#8217;t think that wisdom is <i>essentially</i> inimical to God or faith. Of course it does admit of perversions, as you mentioned.) So, for teachers &#8212; who impart knowledge and form people in wisdom &#8212; perhaps the question is why do this? Is it out of an intense God-fueled love for the people you teach and a passion for your topic, whether biology, home ec., theology, or English lit.? Or is it a matter of self-aggrandisement and ego-boosting? </p>
	<p>Of course, it is most likely the case for most of us that the answer is &#8220;some of both&#8221;, but that gives us guidance for our prayers and repentance.</p>
	<p>Might wealth be like this? Or is it a special case? My intuition in past has been that it is the former, but more and more I think it is the latter. At any rate, it at least dominates our imaginations and our lives today, so it is difficult to think of examples of saintly use of money.</p>
	<p>Thanks again for this reflections and &#8216;recollections&#8217;.
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